[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] New: Get Involved page available

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] New: Get Involved page available

karaluh-2
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398400

            Bug ID: 398400
           Summary: Get Involved page available
           Product: www.kde.org
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: Other
                OS: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
          Assignee: [hidden email]
          Reporter: [hidden email]
  Target Milestone: ---

I noticed through a web search, that there is a Get Involved page, separate
from the Wiki one currently linked to.

https://www.kde.org/get-involved

If this is old content, it should be removed, as search engines (DDG) are
offering it up as the #1 link.

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] Get Involved page available

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--- Comment #1 from Albert Astals Cid <[hidden email]> ---
Removing pages is never a good idea. You end up with broken links and that's
bad.

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] Get Involved page available

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--- Comment #2 from Andrew Crouthamel <[hidden email]> ---
That's fine, then that URL should have a redirect to the current location which
is on the community Wiki. Having duplicate content which is out of date, is not
good for web Crawlers, or the people who happen to land on that page like
myself.

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] Get Involved page available

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--- Comment #3 from Albert Astals Cid <[hidden email]> ---
Which is the url in the community wiki?

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--- Comment #4 from Andrew Crouthamel <[hidden email]> ---
https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved which is the same link the Get Involved
button takes you to from kde.org.

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] Get Involved page available

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--- Comment #5 from Albert Astals Cid <[hidden email]> ---
Personally i always feel a bit uneasy about doing redirects like that.

I'd like to understand why the wiki was created if we already had a get
involved webpage.

Was it because the people writing the wiki didn't know the existing one
existed?
Was it some other reason?
Also who am I/you to decide the wiki content is better than the other page? Is
there an actual consensus on that?

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--- Comment #6 from Nate Graham <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #5)
> Was it because the people writing the wiki didn't know the existing one
> existed?
Not knowing the reason, I suspect this is the case.


> Was it some other reason?
There is a major advantage to having it a wiki: the barrier to editing it is
vastly smaller than for a webpage on kde.org. Even most people with contributor
accounts don't have access to the website. As a result...


> Also who am I/you to decide the wiki content is better than the other page?
I can confidently state that the wiki content is now better than the website
content, because I and others have been working on improving it for the past
year, because it's a wiki. https://www.kde.org/get-involved on the other hand
is terribly out of date and lacks most of the information on
https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/. It is not actually a useful source of
information.


> Is there an actual consensus on that?
Sounds like we should ask folks and see if we can come to one. :)

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--- Comment #7 from Andrew Crouthamel <[hidden email]> ---
I feel we're going to get sidetracked here, as the issue is relating to an
unlinked, dead page. But:

(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #5)
> Personally i always feel a bit uneasy about doing redirects like that.

Why? It's normal throughout the web.

(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #6)
> > Was it some other reason?
> There is a major advantage to having it a wiki: the barrier to editing it is
> vastly smaller than for a webpage on kde.org. Even most people with
> contributor accounts don't have access to the website. As a result...

I agree with this, and something I'd like to bring up at a later date is moving
other pages that have been left to rot, to Wiki-style for this same reason.

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[www.kde.org] [Bug 398400] Get Involved page available

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--- Comment #8 from Lydia Pintscher <[hidden email]> ---
Jep let's change it. Not good to have two. The wiki one is more maintained and
seems to have a future.

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--- Comment #9 from Nate Graham <[hidden email]> ---
Cool. Who has the power to do this?

...I guess technically I do since I have write access to the repo backing
kde.org. But my web skills are close to non-existent, so someone would have to
walk me through the process.

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--- Comment #10 from Andrew Crouthamel <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #9)
> Cool. Who has the power to do this?
>
> ...I guess technically I do since I have write access to the repo backing
> kde.org. But my web skills are close to non-existent, so someone would have
> to walk me through the process.

There a few ways, the most common is with .htaccess such as:

Redirect /get-involved https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved

^ I do not guarantee that is 100% correct, but it is close.

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--- Comment #11 from Unknown <[hidden email]> ---
SVN commit 1524935 by aacid:

Redirect get-involved to https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved



 M  +2 -191    get-involved.php  


WebSVN link: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=1524935

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--- Comment #12 from Albert Astals Cid <[hidden email]> ---
I think it's a very bad idea to move things to the wiki, we have restricted
commits right to www for a reason, but oh well, new times :D

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--- Comment #13 from Nate Graham <[hidden email]> ---
Thanks Albert!

New times indeed. :) For what it's worth, so far our new wiki Get Involved page
has been a big hit.

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